My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. Select Diagnostics with the arrows, and press Mode to Press the Mode To view this page in a different language, please select from the list below. also there are 22 stations. This seems serious enough for the big kahuna to do a site visit. <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>>
also there I think it isn't posted online because it needs updating. 2. Thanks to all for the kind words. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. 1:27:03 First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. 1:24:23 The Half Method. I looked up curves when it seemed like I would have to upsize a fuse in a solid state controller in order to accommodate two valves on a zone, in a controller only rated for one. Thanks for any help. O.k, you're holding the phone in one hand and the notebook in the other..how do you write? Start the controller manually. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. Check Power Supply Board status light. All rights reserved. However there have only been two fault messages, each for a random zone (19,22) stating "comm" error. 5[@l$w ZIeQ|"+m}Z http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf, http://www.turf-digital.com/Jul2011/South#&pageSet=12&page=0. 1 0 obj
Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. Check two-wire path and controller power. EZ-DT is Hunters new Easy Decoder Diagnostic Tool that makes troubleshooting the EZ-DS system even easier. ICD-HP will not communicate with decoder. ill ask for you next time you really know your stuff.. 2. I remember reading the phrase "electronic circuit breaker" in product descriptions when the glass fuses and mechanical circuit breakers were no longer included with sprinkler controllers. Otherwise I have been going by what the homeowner is telling me. Basically the system doesn't work intermittently, where the control box indicated that it is watering normally but it in fact is not. Is that true? Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. If the LED on the decoder is not blinking green, ensure the station is active, checkthe two-wire path and wire connections, and repeatsteps 1 & 2. If successful, it will display the Dec Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? WebWith the clamp meter check the lead wire of the decoder to make sure the cause is not a failed decoder. I am troubleshooting a Hunter ACC 2 wire decoder system and could use some advice. Overflow messages. Only looked it up a few days ago, and found the LTC1153 as a top result. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Konapride - U da Man! Example of using glass fuse holders on ADM. Any luck using self-resetting polyfuses instead of conventional glass fuses? Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. The AC current will drop sharply between two points on the wire path, if the short circuit or fault to earth is between them. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. Been installing it for around 6 years now and its the best. Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. 1:15:16 Types of Problems. WebAttempt to turn on the decoder from the controller (Manual Single Station or ICR remote). Know most of the Hunter guys in San Marcos. That Jim Guy said: Rather than seeing 10.5-12.0 ma you should be getting about 4.5 at the 3rd decoder. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. WebHunter ACC Decoders. nothing works. Ex distributor and a big fan of Hunter 2 wire. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Any current-limiting circuitry would serve as transformer protection as well as triac protection. Check Programming Cup connection to decoder and ICD-HP. Success! %
and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. I should have mentioned my own research about polyswitches was not about their being primary protection in this application, but for use in another aspect of valve operation by remote controllers. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. My Armada clamp meter shows 1.5ma on my ICD100 decoders. stream
Start station with MV from controller or remote. Sprinkus, nice job on providing the Decoder Troubleshooting Guide. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. G'Day sprinklerkid_australia --- Your Armada Tech clamp meter is trying to read milliamps at 35 VAC and 1.2 Hertz. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. The curves I read showed there was a little bit of wiggle room (very little). I have only gotten the problem to show itself for me once, that was today after installing the new module. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. I was at the Golf Industry Show in San Diego all day. JavaScript is disabled. The wire test will place a 60 Hz frequency on all output modules and their two-wire paths, to allow wire tracking and fault finding with a standard AC current clamp meter. Sorry. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Weba defective solenoid, 2) defective field wiring, or 3) poor wire connections. The decoder will not respond after a firmware update, Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by handheld. WebSolution Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. Or are we taking those with the same grains of salt we employ when looking at sprinkler head performance charts? also there are 22 stations. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! WebThe bottom of the decoder (the end with no wires) should be within the programming cup. 2 0 obj
Otherwise data history only shows "power outage" and "power restore" due to the homeowner shutting off the breaker, which he says 'almost' always allows the box to work properly. I have a question relating to this post and a job we are on at the moment. The Diagnostics screen displays an overview of the electrical status of each installed output module, plus additional functions. Master Valve not on (station solenoid is on, but no water). STEP 1: Verify Station Fault Remove the field wire for the faulted station. A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. WebMove the pointer with the arrow buttons at the Main Menu screen to Program Decoder and press Next . Of course, the primary design concern for controllers is probably going to be to have triacs that can handle the entire output of the supply transformer up to its internal fuse opening point. The station finder will chatter a selected station to help locate a solenoid in the field by listening. In a diagnostics situation be aware their will be measurable current where their will none in a traditionally open circuit. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. Each modules electrical current is shown. I love the product. nothing works. WebMake sure both slide locks are closed. When the Start button is pressed, the controller will chatter the solenoid for up to 30 minutes. I previously distributed Hunter here in Aus and they are a brilliant company. 3 0 obj
Rod your a big help.. when i called hunter support last thursday the rep i talked to was just reading a book and didnt know a clue what i was talking about almost. ?t5Za')i6/3^mAa` B@9xkWJIj#vc$lsv$
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If the Err message is not present, the problem is with the valve or School of hard knocks. WebDetect faults and perform electrical troubleshooting in the field without uninstalling decoders Quickly read decoder status, station address, current draw, and two-wire voltage to simplify maintenance Program decoder station address via wired connection to speed up installation and save time on-site WebEZDT - EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. If To read decoder information: Two beeps will sound, and decoder information will be displayed. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Web1:00:00 EZ Decoder Diagnostics. I feel like I am beating this to death. When stations are running (Active), the total current is updated to show the power used by the solenoids. I'm an avid user of Hunter products here in Aus. Check with your local sales rep and request a class. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. Check system for leaks and malfunctions. I have better luck using a 24 VAC signal. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. If the voltage did not change, verify that When troubleshooting is finished, press the soft key again to turn off the 60 Hz wire test mode. Make sure power is on to controller. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! I scheduled with the homeowner for Friday morning, so I will be calling at 8am Hawaii time this friday. Reduce timer or turn off backlight display. @lP-s
67#R }*]xg6Q+DTp J'rY{y The decoder may be damaged. Thank you very much, I will be calling Hunter Support tomorrow. and the error code i get is "overcurrent" or "no comm" Does any one have any ideas. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. Make sure you have a clampmeter and notebook in your hands, I can't tell you how portant they both are. To stop the chatter, press the soft key again, or it will stop by itself after 30 minutes. Check battery display or retry with USB power if available. can we get the Federal Express guy to teach a half-day class? Hi tlawn86 - I work for Hunter and don't jump in here often, so I hope this is okay. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Position the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoder as shown in the display. %PDF-1.5
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The * is letting the user know that the ICD-HP is in process of communicating with the decoder. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. 19 yrs & counting. Hi guys. 1:01:06 Tools for Troubleshooting. How to use a clamp-meter to troubleshoot: 1. A technician can then listen for the underground noise to locate the selected solenoid. Do not leave ClikTM Output Tester or Flow Output. If you are going to maintain 2-wire systems, you want to have a clamp-around "leakage meter" that can read the milliamp currents drawn by the decoders. Hunter does have an "ACC Decoder System Troubleshooting Guide", although I can't find a link to it anywhere on their website. It's easy enough to spec triacs in a controller that will operate on the safe side of a glass fuse curve. The ICD-HP will check for a decoder. When the program doesn't run, the "module/line activity" light is rapidly blinking red. endobj
Select. Check flow sensor setup. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. JavaScript is disabled. Wont read flow. Most manufacturers use a diagnostic circuit breaker on the triac/output side of things. Verify that the two wire path is connected to the controller, and that controller power is For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. One of my location have a hunter acc 2 wire. great post & replies.. very helpful stuff. here what ive done first i went threw with my wire locater to check for broken wires and located all the valves. Check flow sensor wiring. XhArBLfR6+$!$/}^T%]'N$xRP:D,d_c GuC`5PC.7|/$C. Ditto on the classy rep. Those are posts well worth saving. Thanks for your patience. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. So here's the recap guys: Success! WebTroubleshoot wire breaks, nicks, damage, and shorts Solve issues with wires, valves and locating decoders Assists with set-up and product recommendations Supports all 2-wire A failed decoder may read 500-600 mA over that decoders lead wires. If there is no problem with the decoder lead wires, then split the connections for the 2-wire path. Trace and mark the 2-wire path using a 501 or 521 if necessary. Connect the Pulser to the 2-wire path that is isolated from the controller. This is a common diagnostic technique to find shorts to earth ground. w?Lhq
?N~5kd>wkSrzPq$`p_PD8q Why don't you just buy your controllers from dealers instead of off the back of a truck in the middle of the night. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ACC-99D uses two-wire decoders to control up to 99 stations without giving up the arsenal of features provided by the ACC. Sorry tlawn86 - The 2-day decoder class is currently held in San Marcos, CA. Read the resistance of the wire pair that connects the two decoders together. The readings should be between 0-60 depending on distance between decoders (see decoder wire resistance chart). If connection/wiring breaks are not visible, then use a cable tracer to track the wire issue. Konapride - Did you call Hunter today? Woo-Hoo! Check with your local sales rep and request a class. I'd say a helper would be handy. There will be more online material in the future. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. WebPress the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. Program dummy station numbers into decoder. Sounds weird, but you need a 24 VAC transformer. HCC Manual Operation. dEZ$eo4#tWY)[
1BqH M9 7HB37(.eFyTg%!Rppe8M'CJ_*uN%! I hate to disappoint 1idejim, but no Speedos were used or harmed during this operation. Not sure how their fuse size compares to the actual transformer ratings. WebOpen the controller inner door to see additional diagnostic information on the DUAL48M display. 1:09:06 System Troubleshooting. I thought I was the only nerd regarding 2 wire. Decoder will not respond after firmware update. Can we trust electronic component curves? Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! Check the voltage on the output of the decoder. Y1-XBL)~\d1on4a*NkHIcOB\pMEw4pl>=U`S&bSh 9umf,[$ctNKXle5I<5~8[y!ofCO]myN 'T,]>V 7T% if more reps reacted to product concerns the way you do Rod i believe they would received much better on this or any forum. 1.5 Amp, fused, with alligator clips, with the primary wired to a pigtail. The display may show Press the Mode (center) button on the DUAL48M control panel. http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/acc_v5.11.020_xp.zip, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/DG_DecoderDesignGuide_dom.pdf. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. Operating large numbers A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. When no stations are running (Inactive), this shows the standby current draw of idle decoders on the two-wire path. If the decoder reading fails, a red X will appear in the display. Decoder is powered from ICD-HP power leads. Some of us employ self-healing transformer technology which may use a poly-switch or other resettable device. That's the valve wire after the decoder, not the decoder wire. I will be in the office the rest of the week. Rod says that Hunter ICD decoders should draw 3.5 to 4ma. All rights reserved. i also replace every connections with the 2 wires running to all the decoders. I will also explore a shorted solenoid. A condensed version might be possible in your area. <>>>
I have a few oversize control transformers with actual fuseholders. I like barry he uses a white board which I like and dry erase markers which I love, ill post a link if i can find it. EZ-DT: Decoder Programming You Troubleshooting Decoder-Based Irrigation Systems Regency Wire & Cable 3.86K subscribers Subscribe 230 Share 40K views 5 years ago Learn how to I have chatted a few times with hunter support and with the local hunter rep but I figured I would try a different perspective. It helps us both when you are in front of the controller when we speak. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation, EZ-1 Decoder Diagnostics and Troubleshooting. Check controller power to two-wire path, or connect power leads to decoder. The clamp-meter will give accurate readings. Current is very helpful in troubleshooting field wiring conditions. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. :clapping: Hey Pops, you ever hear of speaker phone or earbuds? Verify flow limits and delays allow for some variation. Display backlight will reduce battery life. xnH j"0 5xvyeY&B^RU}j5,WWu| ?Dy2)Q()F)aY@S8bAZDx]r|zy|hWl>V&vrU>%eD/ay2qlH&O}MHV- 0h$X>#e|:>6 ? Awesome sps2868. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. All diagnostic functions are completed via wireless communication between the EZ-DT and EZ-1 decoders. Greenhouse, Nursery, and Open-Field Irrigation. All rights reserved. Press the Station Finder soft key, and select the station number to locate. Woo-Hoo! When 12 comes on there shouldn't be any measurable current on the same wire on the 11 valve. All Hunter ICD decoders have a single copper grounding wire. That is the "wire" that would be connected to earth ground. If the decoder (s) look damaged from surge, disconnect them from the 2-wire path and check the amperage at the controller. This is done by going to "Advanced Features", "Decoder Functions", "Check ADM Current". JavaScript is disabled. In other words, if you try to use a clamp meter on "native" power, normal controller power, it likely will not read accurately. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. HunterTekGeek 1. <>
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%%]*WI@NT. First, I invite you to call Tech Service at 800-733-2823 to help get this resolved. I have a great video by an engineer named Barry Brents he explains when to use poly switching and when you might not want to. Hunter have been exceptional with their service over the years. http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-te-talks/, http://blog.circuitprotection.com/bwitch-device-and-when-to-use-a-fuse-TE-talks/, http://www.underhillonline.net/Faulting_Transformer_p/transfrmr-240.htm, http://www.hunterindustries.com/sites/default/files/ACC_Flash_Update_Instructions.pdf. Disconnect the 2-wire path (s) from the controller. To read decoder information: Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path. Copyright 2023 Hunter Industries. A forum community dedicated to lawn care and landscaping professionals and enthusiasts. endobj
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Dual/Pilot decoder not recognized by hand held. ICC2 Manual Operation. Sometimes it works perfectly fine. Thank you. The Decoder Design Guide isn't super great for troubleshooting but it does help clarify things graphically: reps and sponsors could learn a lot from your posts, once a product has been introduced quit selling and help when help is needed. Check battery display or If If it is there for a long period of time, the ICD-HP is retrying due to communication failures. I will check on it. Repeat firmware update steps and allow to complete. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Manually activate the desired station to energize the two-wire path.
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